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About Mad Father's TRUE Ending *SPOILER ALERT*

Journal Entry: Thu Jan 24, 2013, 4:57 AM



The true ending is actually pretty depressing, Whether you like it or not, It'll happen.


I don't like it either but..

Don't listen to the conspiracy theories. People think that the Aya in the vat at the end is the real Aya or that Aya is a good person running the clinic.

The Aya's were not switched. In the true ending, Ogre (the red eyed stranger, just like the book on Aya's shelf) brought Alfred (the father) back from the dead and into another dimension. that's why his hair and hands are purple. Ogre said "Maybe one day you can show this girl your homeland". That means that the Aya in the glass (who is quite curvaceous for an 11 y/o) has never been in the real world, meaning she was never the real Aya, and is a recreation made my Alfred to fulfill his desires.

And as for the theories about Aya actually being a good person at the end... oh I wish I was that naive... It may look that way, because Aya is helping Jean at the end and Maria said she is just like her father, so some people think that it means she got the part of her father that saved maria off the streets.

However, If you pay attention, Jean says that she was helped here by an old lady with a carriage. she hears hooves in the back of the house. then when it pans over to Maria, you can clearly see she has aged (to the point of being called an old lady...). you can also see a door behind her, (from the back, where the hooves were), the red anatomy book her father had, a small collection of dolls... and, to seal the deal, a ladder to a basement to Maria's right.

Maria tells people that there is a nearby clinic that gives free treatments, takes them there, and then Aya gets to turn them into dolls.

This ending hurts so bad, just like the true ending of Witches House...

Oh God Spoilers ;w;

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shikisai-summer Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2015
Madness runs through the family :/
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Keira-Giordano Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2014  Student Writer
DAAYYUUUUMMM I DID NOT SEE THAT COMING!
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Suzooon Featured By Owner May 21, 2014
Wow I'm so late ! Anyway...

At the beginning of the game, Aya was already a little psycho. If you play it a second time, you will find hints about it. There are notes left by her father in which he explained that she was becoming like him, but he didn't want her to be dirtied so he wished to make her into a doll. She's not a kind little girl, she killed animals and hurts snowball many times :'(

Before going in the black (purple) hole, you can find a letter from her mother addressed to her father. She's saying that she fell in love with him when he tried to killed her. She would like to invite him to her house, which was a base for religious groups in the past. Seems like they left some "interesting stuffs"...
Wouhou, welcome to the psycho family ! Don't forget the mother used to read some strange books to Aya... Well now, easier to imagine her turning crazy when she found her father's book in the end, no ?

Also, the girl in the tube is a replica of course. Ogre says it would be good if she could see the father's world, which mean she never saw it before, so she can't be Aya. Impossible ! How would she appears here ? We saw her left with Maria after all. She just became a crazy doctor who kill people to make them into beautiful dolls... Happy end !
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fantasyk87 Featured By Owner May 14, 2014
T__T I just finished playing it and I couldn't belive how horrible the ending was.. I hate it, Aya became a psyco just like her dad.. so Dio's word were kinda useless.. and her mother.. sigh.
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CreamCakeBlast Featured By Owner May 16, 2014
Well, Aya probably missed her father dearly, even when the mansion was on fire Aya stayed a bit longer.
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DarkScentZ Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2014
i had a feeling that the bonus 21 gem part was like this:
when the ogre said: "I hope someday you can show that girl your homeland" t hought that aya's father waiting for aya to death and then live with him in another dimension, that's why his hair and hand are purple, because ogre revive him and then helped him to make another clone of aya in another dimension. he waiting for aya's soul to transport to another aya's clone body and then live with him. it's just my thought :)
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mochichama Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Man i thought that was the bad ending.
I even search for an explanation. Sigh,
I will pretend shes helping people by making them into ... living dead. Good game btw.
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JaneyKara Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I got the ending first time I saw it. And it's a great ending! Aya becoming like her dad is a neat idea to me. ^^
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MiraKHall Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I actually kind of liked the ending.  It was rather appropriately creepy, not as downright depressing as the true ending to the Witch's House (SOMEONE has some issues to work out :roll:).  But the added details about Maria being the old lady Jean was talking about -- and the horse whinny in the background -- it confirmed my suspicions that, in the long run, that book Aya ran across, was the anatomy book she didn't want to look through in the first place.  Something must've clicked in her when curiosity enticed her to look inside, and now she's Father -- one, two, THREE! :XD:

But why were some folks confused about the clone Aya being the real Aya?  Wasn't it obvious that it was a replica?
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Icequeen3737 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2014
is it wrong that my favorite ending was the one when aya's dad turns her into a doll he's just so cool when he does it yelling in Japanese when he's looking for her and I liked aya's doll dress
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Minioma Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2013
(This is just my opinion, so don't go too hard on me, please.)
I'm not pissed off about bad ending. It's a horror game, they always have bad ending and, as i like to call them, "sort of bad endings". I'm more pissed off about the logic of MAKING this "sort of bad ending".
Motivation is the thing that pushes people forward with their decisions. Motivation are born/made by what events happens to people and how they affect on them.
In "My diary" (We are not sure was Aya saying it was hers, or was the book called that way) we sort of saw what was Aya's dad's motivation and how it was born: He got addicted to killing people because he SAW and THOUGHT that they looked pretty when they were dead. (Psychology. Wont bother you with explanations). He wanted to make dolls out of them so he could always enjoy their eternal beauty.
Aya SAW dead people, and was always horrified to see them, which mean that she CAN'T THINK that dead people are pretty. And that means she can't possibly be like her father.
I seriously have a feeling that the makers of this game wanted to hint that Aya might follow her father's footsteps, but they couldn't find any good hints, so they just gave her that simple horrifying red book of anatomy.
If you ask me, that is not enough to activate the same motivation as her father had. I just can't buy it that she suddenly THINKS that doll people are pretty because she read couple of pages of that book. Yes, it might be horrible, but that's the point! Aya KNEW it was horrible. Children are not dumb. At that age if they THINK something is bad or good, it stays like that. It would take a lot more convincing to change child mind on something.

(This is just my opinion, hope you will understand.)
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xXPurpleFlowerNinja Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
To me this was pretty legit. 
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ReinVladTepes Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2013
i dont think Aya really end up like her father 
(yea i didnt want to believe it such a depressing ending)
In MadFather.Wikia in Good Ending When Maria says: 
it does run in family she is just like you Doctor..... 
there is a hint that Aya really end up like Alfred  
 when i read about Jean the girl in good ending 
She visits the Drevis Clinic to get cured and becomes one of Aya's victims. It is implied that she was killed by Aya, but confirmed false due to Aya's intentions not to be so much her father, and on the side part of her is her mother.
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mattyjames22 Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2013
I read that too I also read it the comments on markipiler's video of the ending of mad father. The person that mentioned it said that sen had mentioned he left it out to cause debate (he actually says sen says he almost left it out but I find no proof of it being in the game itself). I don't now if it is true or not but I choose to believe it if anyone finds what the source of this post a link please. The last thing I'll mention is everyone keeps saying the book she picked up was her fathers notes. WRONG we don't see what that looked like it was in the library on a shelf. The red book is The New Text On Anatomy not his notes how it got outside I don't know but it is definitely that same book as it's the only book we actually see that is like that. So it is very possible that she didn't turn out like dear old dad I will admit that maria is the old lady that helped jean get to the clinic but maybe it is so they actually have people to help they are out in the middle of nowhere not easy to find a clinic out there.

I also won't deny that she may have started out following his path but more that one thing that happened in the game may have thrown her off that path or perhaps something happened after that we didn't see that led her to be a good doctor instead of a bad one. This is all just my view take it how you want each of us has different views on things and a open ended ending like that one could be taken either way one person may see it as aya continuing her fathers work another may see it as her becoming the doctor he couldn't and making normal dolls (the kind that aren't dead people).
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TensaZangetsuz Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2013
Whywhywhywhywhywhy,whywhywhywwhywhy,whyyy? Dis could have been such a gud ending mang. We had all the elements, an engrossing plot, characters that are each to be attached to, and one cute as puppies little girl. But nooo, The developers just decided 'You know, I could make a happy ending out of this, I could....But on the other hand, I could also be a sick sadistic bastard and take everything the people who played my game know about it's characters, and grind it into guano. But I'll have to do this right, leave subtle hints suggesting that this ending makes sense, that way people can't be all like "OMG u lid to uz!", and I can be like "it wz in ur face all da tim!". Yeah, I'll go with the latter, cause why the hell not, good endings make people happy, and we wouldn't want that, WOULD WE?! WOOOULD WE??!?!?'.
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bizarremusicmuse Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2013
So that means...Aya technically didn't keep her promise to Dio....AW MAN IT'S LIKE WITCH'S HOUSE ALL OVER AGAIN
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BlueStar38 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013
No, Aya did keep her promise to Dio, to remember every last victim of her father's experimentation.
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bizarremusicmuse Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013
So she did remember the victims in her own twisted way....is that right?
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BlueStar38 Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2013
Yes.
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Steak32 Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2013
You know Eonlie i agree with you Because these people had no homes,no food,And would often probably make sense if they got sick alot, So Aya would probably want to make that stop (P.S if anyone read what i wrote its just crap i put down to troll someone if anyone believed it)
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Eonlie Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013
At the same time, however, there are a few differences.
Aya in the tube is a clone of his daughter. She's also not an 11yr old, because she's aged just as the real Aya has. She's just got long hair because Alfred hasn't seen Aya since she became a doctor.

The most important part, I think, is that while Aya is a psychopath, and killing her 'patients', it's with a different atmosphere of Alfred.
It seems like she really does care for her patients. She makes them into dolls, possibly because she's just obsessed with them as her father was. Whether or not this is true, it's the point that she does care about her patients. She feels for them, and doesn't want them to suffer.

Like Alfred wanted eternal beauty, it seems like Aya just doesn't want the person to suffer anymore, and perhaps instead of eternal beauty, she strives more for eternal 'health'. The patient doesn't have to suffer and become much more weak and such.

Of course, I guess it's all open to interpretation.
I do believe Aya is like her father, but for different reasons.
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Steak32 Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2013
And i said this might be short
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Steak32 Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2013
Now about the unlocable scene with Ogre and The father...This i dont understandI admit What im guessing is that Using the magic water made it so aya never existed.Or never did regardless of the water And the father made her and remembered i guess?Im guessing that Ogre works with the devil as he is the one that takes away the father
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BlueStar38 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013
No, Ogre is from a different realm, so he takes Aya's father into that realm, thus the reason why his hair and hands are purple. The Aya in the glass was a grown up clone--she isn't 11. If they used the magic water to make Aya not exist, then why and how does Aya's father know exactly what to replicate? Why does he call her Aya?
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Steak32 Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2013
The books her father had WERE in the basement or wherever down where he killed people So it makes sense that wasnt the book she was reading.Also sh did say she already looked at the books and never wanted to again.The one thing I do agree with is That because her father is dead she might just want to look at the book to remember him.THEN AGAIN her house was burning down and that book wasnt above ground
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Steak32 Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2013
also if you say She never freaks out in the game because freaking zombies are everywhere She does actually more then once she only goes on to save her dad only to find that hes going to make her a doll and also that he killed Her mom and... Also replaced her rabbits with new ones
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Steak32 Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2013
Listen here ive kind of learned to understand this Now i know this is short but if you listen In the story Aya says she'll make sure this never happens again.About the book shes looking at in the end Is about the girl who controlled fire And ended up destroying the world. She was reading this because her house was on fire. i know it sounds dumb But its true
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BlueStar38 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013
No, the red book was actually her father's notes on experimentation. Aya was following in her father's footsteps-experimenting on people and such, but on a smaller scale. She made sure that her patients didn't feel pain, (thus, I think the anesthesia when she was about to work on Jean) so that the curse wouldn't start again.
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xXPurpleFlowerNinja Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually I've read more places than here that it's called the new text of anatomy and not her fathers notes ^^; 
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AndItWorked Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013
The ending doesn't really make sense to me. It was a bit of a non sequitur. If Aya was a sociopath just like her father, then some of her dialogue and actions in the game don't really make sense. She really loved her Mom, her Father, and Snowball. She seemed to care too much and to be less selfish than a sociopathic child. Maybe the Aya in the test tube was a fake, older Aya, and the Aya running the free clinic was the fake one from the test tube ("Maybe one day you can show this girl your homeland.").
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BlueStar38 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013
No, if you really look into the game and some of the scenes, you'll see that Aya was really following in her father's footsteps.

If you find Aya's father's diaries, he first believes that his daughter has inherited his curiosity and has a love for animals but later finds the corpses hidden in her drawers. However, this was a year before he decided to make her into a doll and before he killed his own wife. In the story of a boy killing animals and later his own mother, Aya's father resolves to stop Aya from killing and becoming "exactly what he is" and wants to prevent her from becoming "dirtied"

Later in the game, before you confront Aya's mother, if you go back to the Nursery room and look in the drawers, you'll find a rat's corpse in the right drawer and a bird's corpse in the left drawer. Not to mention that Aya has no hesitance whatsoever in cutting open a dog's stomach to retrieve a key.

Now about Snowball. Aya's father wanted to stop Aya from killing so whenever Snowball was injured fatally, he would just buy a new rabbit and give that one to Aya, while he stowed away the injured rabbit in the basement, which would explain why whenever Snowball was injured, her father always brought back a perfectly healthy rabbit.

Then comes the mini chainsaw. Aya claims this memory to be a nostalgic one because her father caught her playing with it, but cannot dig up an explanation as to how or where she had gotten it.

In the true ending, Aya has her father's notes on Human Anatomy along with Maria to quickly pick up where her father's work "stopped". Though Aya's methods are a little less extreme and painful-in order for the curse not to repeat. Her clinic has several smaller dolls--a dead giveaway that she didn't experiment to the same scale of her father.

Finally, the good luck charm. Good luck charms do not make you a good person, they protect you from harm. I think the charm meant that Aya had less chances of being caught, even though she had the extra space her father used to experiment.
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fantasyk87 Featured By Owner May 14, 2014
Yup, that is the true ending. Indeed very creepy.. I kind of feel bad for Maria, lol. 
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AndItWorked Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013
Hi!  Thanks for your thoughtful reply.  The main reason I thought the free clinic Aya wasn't the real Aya is because the jewel scene after the credits made the most sense that way at the time.  However, the theory about Aya II being Library from Misao (which you can read in the Trivia section here mad-father.wikia.com/wiki/Alfr… ) is even more compelling than my weird theory, and fits with both the jewel scene and everything you said.

Thanks again!

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PonPonPuyo Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I know, After all, Her Mom wanted her to be like her Father. But not a killer..She gave Aya little birds...The books in her shelves are books not read to children,Most of them are about gore,revenge,etc. Aya did have a good side too, Unlike her Father who's a complete Psychopath. Her Mom wanted her to be a good Doctor, the one that does surgery.When Aya was young, she already had interest of what her Father was doing.She cut open birds and cats. Like her Father when he was young.(Diary scene) Despite this, Her Father didn't want her to be like him.But her Mom did...Yes,the test tube was indeed a fake one. Aya became like a sociopath all because she read the red book when she was growing up. Maria couldn't do anything to stop her since she was turning old..The sociopath Aya is her real personality surprisingly..
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candypanda0915 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013
Why did the mom want aya to be like her dad ? And where did it say that Aya cuts open birds and cats??
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Eonlie Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013
Not necessarily cut them open, but if you look at the drawers in her room, there is a dead bird and a dead cat.
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AndItWorked Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013
Your theory is convincing, too. There are a few details that support my interpretation, though.

I don't think reading one book could have made her a sociopath. Even though she read it at an influential time, it's just a book. Personality disorders don't usually work that way. There isn't much research into Antisocial Personality Disorder (sociopathy/psychopathy), so it would have been much easier for the game's creators to take artistic license (especially since it's a horror game), but I think the existing evidence points away from one little thing triggering the disorder. Her mother seemed to teach her good things as well as reading her strangely dark books, too. Besides, children typically don't start developing empathy until they're about 12. (learned that from a child development teacher) That could have explained the birds and the other animal mistreatment. Animal mistreatment is said to predict sociopathy, but Aya exhibited signs that pointed away from it, too, like her kindness towards some of the dead people. I don't think she knew her kind actions could have earned her gems. Maybe, since doing kind actions gives you gems part of the time, and getting all the gems unlocks the scene after the credits, the unlockable scene points towards Aya not being a sociopath. Or at least, her not being like her father.

The unlockable test tube scene makes the most sense with the fake Aya replacing the real Aya theory. I think of it like this: you earn the true ending, and then you earn the unlockable ending to make more sense of the true ending. In the dialogue of the unlockable scene, Ogre also says "So you wanted a daughter." before he says "I hope you can one day show her your homeland." A sociopathic doctor doll maker murderer that looks like Aya would count as a daughter in Alfred Drevis's diseased mind.

The unlockable scene could have also been the developers trying to cause wild mass guessing, too, so don't take me too seriously.

It would be cool if my theory is right, and they make a sequel with the real Aya trying to take her life back from the fake Aya.
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MisterClassic Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
and all the time i thought she was good...
She was promised not to let the same tragedy happen again! QAQ
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PonPonPuyo Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2013  Student Digital Artist
It does run in the family ;;AAAAA;;
Also, Snowball's clones in the other lab with wounds on the leg and stomach, Is actually the result of Aya'a mistreatment of him or Aya actually did it on purpose with the chainsaw because her mother wanted her just to be like her Father ;u; Also The books on Aya'a shelves are a bit too violent and it's full of gore too ;v;
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MisterClassic Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I'm going to keep believing the theory of her being good...
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Kayuunekochan Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
NUUUU I READ IT DX ahh im watching pewdiepie play this right now TT^TT
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PonPonPuyo Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I NEVER KNEW YOU WERE A FAN OF PEWDS OAO WHY U NO TELL MEEEE ;A;
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Kayuunekochan Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
OMG YES IM SUCH A FAN \(^O^)/ im sowwy TT^TT" *brofist*
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PonPonPuyo Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Asdf- ;AAA; *brofist* But I kinda like Cry moar ;7;
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Kayuunekochan Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i love both of them ... is also secret pewdie x cry fan <3 hehehehe :iconpewdiebrofistplz:
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PonPonPuyo Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Student Digital Artist
GAAHH PEWDIECRY FAN ASDF- I'm kinda sad Haunting ground's over ;v; I love Cry's opinion on the characters xD Can't stop laughing when he mentioned Sephiroth's early alphabetical stages xDD
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Kayuunekochan Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
are you also a pewdiecry fan? \(*o*)/ ???
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PonPonPuyo Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Yusss ;;7;; I am, and will always beeee ;7;
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